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Conquest of Granada: The making of Baza, 1488-1489

Post by cavern on Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:16 pm

For those interested in the history of Baza , which I have only just started to look into and mean to continue ( any info on resources would be gratefully received ) Anyway I have just found this info ...

More can be found on the actual Spanish website it came from and if you click on "El destino de los perdedores "it takes you to a wealth of videos and script . [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Conquest of Granada: The making of Baza, 1488-1489

Introduction of Isabel

Fernando prepares a large army, with 13,000 horsemen and 40,000 laborers to take Baza, in the hands of El Zagal and installs a large camp with all the grandees of Spain just outside Baza. Muslims have accumulated provisions for fifteen months hoping that with the bad weather and lack of food Fernando finished breaking camp Their strategy goes into effect at the beginning and in October Christians have to go into the orchards to place their guns. The warm weather in the fall of Granada, along with the arrival of Queen Elizabeth, which is incorporated in November, and the good weather in the autumn makes the brother of El Zagal, commandant of the fortress, is finished rendering.

The eastern front. For the first time in war so far in 1488 the Kings decide to attack the eastern part of the Kingdom of Granada, the most impoverished and depopulated. The kings set up their camp in Murcia and Lorca attack from places like Vera, Mojacar, Huesca and Cuevas de Almanzora, who surrender without showing much resistance. This land is also the one that is destined to be the Boabdil availing surrender Granada once when defeat his uncle El Zagal.

The importance of food. The burning of crops and deforestation become a common practice in this war, to the point that Fernando gets to the towns of Almeria to surrender only to be without food. However, the inhabitants of Loja learned well the lesson and Christian troops paid with the same coin: accumulated provision for hold for months while Fernando camp the soldiers saw them and wanted to get food. The result was the most problematic purse [4] to Fernando during the war, in which the onset of winter and the rugged terrain made even his lieutenants, as the Marquis of Cadiz, this advisable withdrawal.

The main consequences of Baza had this battle is that underpinned the war once the Christian side. The surrender of Baza, made ​​by his own brother, Yahya Cidi convinces El Zagal inability to win the Catholic Monarchs and prepare a final move: Almeria and Guadix pay without waiting for the fence. There was in this surrender a natural cause important that earthquakes in 1487 and 1489 destroyed most of the defenses and the homes of Almería, which instituted among Muslims bad omens. With the conquest of Almeria Nazari kingdom was left without access to the sea, remaining unable to receive relief Granada or North Africa aid stations.
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Post by PEDRO JAMES on Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:55 pm

CAVERN. Great bit of history you have come across so please lets have some more from all..
Makes a change to read something intelligent instead of BLOODY PIES,BACON,SAUSAGES, LICENCES,AND BULLSH-T.
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Post by miron on Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:01 pm

Blood pies?? Where can you buy them from? I'll have a dozen.....
I'd recommend Tiscar for a visit - one of the final Moorish strongholds against the Catholic Kings in the area.

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Post by Dave on Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:17 pm

Pedro, be careful, that sort of anti pie talk will have the Northerers sharpening their axes! Talk like that starts wars! Laughing 

Good point though a very good article found by Cavern. Thanks for sharing it.

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Post by PEDRO JAMES on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:00 pm

DAVE it would be nice if members of the forum really give this history post a good plug..There are a lot of Brits here that know nothing of the moorish occupation 718 AD to 1492 AD which is a long period.
But with a capital B i can understand that many people don,t want to know of past history..History is a bit like marmite you love it or hate it lol! lol! 
We Cornish dont worry about the Northern axes being sharpened as we have our secret weapon in tintagel and of course Trelawneys army under Saltash bridge ..
As for the bloody pies you get them in IVOR DEWNEYS bakery Plymouth:lol!: lol! 
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Post by Gobiker56 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:00 am

May I refer you to my post on the massacre in Galera [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] which got 269 views. I know a fair few people who know some of the areas history. So we do get the occasional gem on here. I am a Yorkshireman and a champion Pie eater. Perhaps someone could look into why the Spanish are not big pie makers/eaters?. A personal thankyou goes to the Cornish on their delicious Pasties too.
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Post by doobie on Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:42 pm

Free ebook here on the Conquest of Granada

Chronicle of the Conquest of Granada by Washington Irving
If you click on the download tab you can download or read online.
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Post by Dave on Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:50 pm

Gobiker56 wrote:A personal thankyou goes to the Cornish on their delicious Pasties too.
Gordon, I must bring your attention to Kens post referring to his pasty recipe. Please read the link attached in my reply. Laughing

On a serious note, I find the history of the area very interesting especially the Franco era, although some of seems a bit 'vague' (strange that). Some time ago I did post a link about an excellent documentary made by Micheal Portillo called the digging up the dead. I believe you can still watch it if you look on his website.

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Post by Gobiker56 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:37 pm

Yes Dave, I saw that too, Much as I dislike Miguel Portillo as a politition he has done a couple of really good programmes. When I befriended an old chap here, English, who was an expert on the Spanish Civil War, he taught me a lot. Sometimes bringing me to tears. He too found the villagers reticent on the subject. The cruelty on both sides was almost beyond belief, considering the normally generally polite demeanour of the Spanish people. Poor old chap has gone to meet his maker. A great loss as he was going to write a book on the subject. Also I went to one of the most fascinating Museums I have ever been to in Mellilla, All stuff from that period, a really old man looking after it all, and all the exhibits 'touchable', guns, and other weapons etc. just there, you could easily have walked out with one!. Pictures and busts of Franco etc. I wonder if it is still there after all the hoo ha of removing all that kind of thing from public areas etc.
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Post by Tim Cullis on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:10 pm

Nice post cavern.  

Many placenames in Spain are Arabic, for example Benidorm and Benamaurel (Ben means son of), most places beginning with Al such as Alicante, Almería, Algeciras are Arabic origin, then some obvious ones like Fatima and Medina-Sidonia.  Even Gibraltar which is Jebel Tariq (Tariq's mountain; Tariq ibn Zeyad was the leader of the Moorish forces).

And then there's the Arabic/Berber influence on the Spanish language, see [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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The Moorish influence even reached England through Morris dancing and some troops blacken their faces in recognition of this.
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Post by Tim Cullis on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:16 pm

Gobiker: you might be interested in Casa Pepe which is on the motorway south of Madrid at the Despeñaperros area recently improved--you can now only visit from the south-bound side, see [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

What I can't get an answer to anywhere is why on the side of Orce's church there's a falangist symbol (see [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ) and some form of memorial to Antonio Primo de Rivera, see [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Re: Conquest of Granada: The making of Baza, 1488-1489

Post by PEDRO JAMES on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:27 pm

Good information from all..As i said in my first post could be really interesting this topic started by Cavern..Going back to AL ANDALUZ and away from the civil war for a mo...We can recommend Almeria castle the moorish stronghold for centuries,Its free,full of information and well edited which takes about 2 hours or more to get around for those that love history..Also the Alambra palace in Granada is a great day out.A bit expensive and commercial but highly recommended for those who have not visited it yet.
We think April/May are the best months to go as the gardens are so full of colour.
Keep the history coming.
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