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Post by PEDRO JAMES on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:03 pm

Also i think it is a little below the belt with ref to the chinese restaurant and the frozen cheap Jack stuff or maybe processed s-it...you can eat as healthy,if not healthier than many of the Spanish outlets in the area if you want....when we have been into the chinese restaurant you can eat as much fresh fish,prawns,shell fish,meat,veg,fruit etc etc without eating the greasy muck stuff...Somebody let me know please if there is a restaurant out there that can give you the eat as much as you want of fresh prawns,fish etc for 1 cent less than 10 euros and the occasional bottle of wine to take away when you leave..

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Post by cavern on Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:03 am

PEDRO JAMES wrote:The proof of the pudding is in the eating....although i am a little concerned about the statement by LADYINRED about the chinese having a special deal with the government....can you give us a little more information on that one...does LADYINRED have information from the HACIENDA OR OTHER ESTABLISHMENT to confirm this....looking forward to the reply on this one and others taking an interest

Firstly totally agree with you that Chinese restaurants are good value and the majority of the food is fresh.

Also have to agree with ladyinred that there is a special deal with the Government when it comes to all the Chinese establishments in Spain and Portugal. Spain does have to kiss butt when it comes to the Chinese government , they are probably the most successful European countries when it comes to financial deals with the Chinese. The Chinese own mucho amount of Spanish bonds. That is when I hear people on this forum saying the UK is fed up of helping Spain, yeah think twice, it is peanuts compared to the Chinese. It isn't just the bonds though there are billions relying on exports and them opening industries here.

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The Chinese establishments here are operated on a communists basis and the profits go straight back to the Chinese Government, they are not owned by individuals.Think about all those shops buying in bulk, sort of explains why things are so cheap. There has been rumours that the staff of the restaurants/shops are badly treated but I think that is anti communists propaganda, although there are some countries that won't allow Chinese businesses because of them not reaching the standards of the workers rights policies in their countries, such as Sweden. The Chinese government look after all their living arrangements etc. There are thousands of Chinese wanting to learn languages to work somewhere in Europe or America, so it can't be all bad . In Portugal I know the shops are allowed a tax free period , when times up they simply transfer the shop into another persons name. Wherever that is true in Spain I haven't found it publish anywhere but I wouldn't be at all surprised. In Portugal the Chinese can open a shop in days and get very little interference. The Brits it takes months and they have health and safety constantly on their backs. So I think it is safe to say there are " special deals " will we find out about them, doubt it, as it will make a lot of struggling shop keepers here angry, but if it keeps the Spanish economy afloat should we be arguing ?

P.S You don't get all that political, is it morally right crap, if you eat at Cueva Pedro Laughing

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Post by musketeera on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:30 am

I'm not sure if as Cavern said the establishments here are owned by the Chinese government it wouldn't surprise me - There certainly is a deal with the Spanish government that was set up years ago to allow cheap goods from China & Taiwan into the country. They should re- think the Taiwanese connection as factories there often produce everyday products that 'front' a much darker line, I went to a teddy bear factory that were very proud of it's rocket manufacturing for the USA which was an eye opener.
I have been to government owned factories which are safe & clean for the workers and heavily armed, staff in 2005 (the last time I was there)were paid 8.20 € per week, 'lived in' to the point where they were only allowed out one day per month to visit their family and most of them slept on the floor of their manufacturing room uless they were part of the management - They were allowed to sleep in the show room on the highest floor of the building.
Family owned factories were certainly poorer, the staff lived in fear of being raided by Police for no particular reason but they were much happier and their production levels far exceeded the government run factories but they couldn't ask the same price for their products because the export conditions set by the government would tax them to the hilt.

The Swedes may have the right idea they would swarm into the Hong Kong trade fair to order their containers of goods - A famous Swedish store as always a smart company would approach a factory set in place what they expected in the way of goods and working practice, send one of their Asian negotiators to check on the factory after a couple of weeks and then roll with the containers not checking the factory again until the following year so when we visited the factories at the start of their contract the staff would be in tip top condition smartly dressed and proud of their private cubicle they could call home on the penultimate floor of the factory.
If we went halfway through the year their conditions would have reverted to normal until they received notice of the next Swedish visit, these were always government factories.

The one thing I always disliked about working in China was the lack of social interaction or levity in any dealings (and the food) but then again there's not much to laugh about because the ordinary Chinese worker is damned either way.

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Post by ladyinred on Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:59 am

your answer is basicaally on caverns page . It came to light when someone was on a business start up, Personally it all looks a bit dodgy to me that those restaurants survive let alone make a profit on as little as 4 people a day even if the gov was to pay all their rent and rates,,,cant see endesa waving the bill for lighting and air con can you? The mind could dream up all sorts of things . Take for example a friend who ran a bar/cafe on the coast struggling to compete with many such establishments despite offering a good service , was approached by the money launderers to work with them in exchange for more than he could hope to earn in his bar. He eventually closed shop, not wanting to get into that sort of thing. Another point from his story, as we seem to be getting away from the point of this thread........ he was sick of going to cash and carry and paying a much higher figure than his spanish counterparts ( would a wholesaler get away with that in the uk?)
With stuff like that to contend with , is it any wonder that life in business is tough, quite something to survive let alone make a profit.

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Post by cavern on Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:28 am

[quote="ladyinred"]Take for example a friend who ran a bar/cafe on the coast struggling to compete with many such establishments despite offering a good service , was approached by the money launderers to work with them in exchange for more than he could hope to earn in his bar.

Funny you should say that ladyinred, one day when we were waiting to pick up a takaway, from the bigger of the 2 , we noticed the till was absolutely stuffed with cash . It was still early and only 2 other people eating there, thought it was strange at the time .

Musketeera Gee I didn't realise the wages were that bad, I have often wondered why you don't really see the Chinese out and about more here though, They are probably on a better deal here than back home but doubt if they have any spare to socialise here.

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Post by collado on Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:55 pm

Maybe the Chinese government does get special treatment on a high level but don´t lots of different governments have trade agreements.

As for the Brits paying more than the Spanish in the wholesalers thats bull, firstly everything is priced and secondly you receive a bill, which you can check, that´s if they bothered to learn Spanish before embarking on a business in the first place. This being the main reason Brits go out of business, not as they state that the system is complicated.

They as all other nationalities have to abide by the rules. Most Brits complain bitterly about foreigners coming to England and not learning the language.

Spain is a wonderful place most of the time, but like any where in the world it´s not perfect.

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Post by cavern on Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:20 pm

Oh and actually I think we in the Baza area should be nice to the Chinese, I don't think it is a coincidence that I found an article, last night, saying that last November President ( or whatever his title ) LI from China was at some European summit saying China was pulling away from buying European bonds because of the uncertainty of them and instead going to invest in European Railways. Last November Baza Ayuntamiento published the first news on the new railway line from Guardix - Murcia via Baza, saying they already had a private investor - ummmm wonder who that could be.

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Post by Ponderosa on Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:20 pm

Generally you set up premises put some articles in it sit down and wait for a customer to walk in, there are so many things you can do behind the science.

Owners of a new business take any advice given as interference or complaint.



My wife and I see things that can be done as some of you must know, the Spanish are willing accept us people but the British always knowingly or unknowingly put up a barrier, one thing by saying we are guests in their country.



We have more than half a dozen highly professionally well-educated Spanish women how would like to speak English, they have been taught English in school only translation and writing but not to speak it, the accent and embarrassment also but’s them off, I do not speak or write another language but with hand and feet I seem to manage in all counties, my wife being Dutch has no problem. We have told VISTA but they do not want to know they don’t see ready money in it. The Spanish girls just want to chat over a cup of coffee (You never know they might even see something they might want to buy) in the future it would bring Spaniards to the shop i.e. customers.



I suggested making a map how to get to VISTA. I made an attempt at it, took me 4 or 5 hours trying to learn it on the computer, we will give the map to some the girls and possibly our Bank manager.



I suggested making a map how to get to VISTA. I was told “O’ if I meet someone in the street and they want to know I will tell them how to get there”.



And what happens when I try to help people like this I get told people won’t like you.
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Post by PEDRO JAMES on Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:06 pm

PONDEROSA...I LOVE THE LAST LINE IN YOUR ARTICLE...MOST PEOPLE DON,T LIKE THE TRUTH SO GUESS THATS WHY THEY DONT LIKE ME lol! lol!
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Post by PEDRO JAMES on Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:14 pm

WELL SAID COLLADO (NICE ONE)....I would also say that having worked with all walks of life over the years foreigners tend to speak English hell of a lot better than most British trying to speak Spanish in this area...also very hard working without the snibbly nose excuse that they got the flu
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Post by Gobiker56 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:48 pm

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Vista Map I hope it helps.
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Post by Ponderosa on Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:39 pm

I went search on this forum and found it under Map Vista. This search business is grate since I found how to use it
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Post by ladyinred on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:57 pm

sorry what is vista or am I being a bit thick? Crying or Very sad
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Post by Gobiker56 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:20 am

Ladyinred, Vista is an English run shop/cafe in Baza, Plus it's a community centre of sorts. Wide selection of UK food, sweets, dog stuff (Frontline etc.), jewellery, books, clothes etc. etc. Nice people, lovely cakes and things. Worth a visit if you are up that way, bound to be something you want.
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Post by ladyinred on Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:44 am

thankyou i will take a look!
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Post by invicta on Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:52 pm

weve been to some british run shops and the staff are bloody ignorants and rude. thats why they probly close down
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Post by david kirby on Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:49 pm

Yes invicta ! everybody who comes through your door when running a business you have to have a smile and they will return Very Happy
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Post by PEDRO JAMES on Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:00 pm

...well said DAVID KIRBY, and INVICTA..
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Post by invicta on Sat May 11, 2013 12:30 am

weve seen it again on this visit. why do some english people forget they are guests in this country. theres some very nice english here and some bloody weirdo's. how many people do you know here that are odd. Laughing probly moved out of the uk because they got outed. Laughing
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Post by PEDRO JAMES on Sat May 11, 2013 11:58 am

LOL lol! lol! lol! lol!
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Post by miron on Sat May 11, 2013 4:16 pm

invicta wrote:weve seen it again on this visit. why do some english people forget they are guests in this country. theres some very nice english here and some bloody weirdo's. how many people do you know here that are odd. Laughing probly moved out of the uk because they got outed. Laughing

Oh dear, hope I fall into the 'nice English' category, not the 'bloody weirdo' category!

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Post by Metaldunk on Sat May 11, 2013 5:41 pm

I like nice weirdos! geek
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Post by Dave on Sat May 11, 2013 8:18 pm

There's nothing wrong with being a nice weirdo (apparently) Wink

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Post by Metaldunk on Sat May 11, 2013 8:38 pm

lol!
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Post by Ponderosa on Sat May 11, 2013 10:49 pm

Sorry
Invicta you have a long way to go everything you say we have heard before, you
are very much an Islander “Why do some English people forget they are guests in
this country” + “Going home” = (To England). The Spanish want you to live with
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Post by invicta on Sun May 12, 2013 10:31 am

no needs to be sorry mate. you may have had a place in spain longer than us. we are still learning. dont know what you means by islander, but i dont understand a lot of your stuff Laughing
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Post by miron on Sun May 12, 2013 1:36 pm

I'll settle for being a nice wierdo - sounds better than a bloody one!

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Post by PEDRO JAMES on Sun May 12, 2013 3:12 pm

I,m a weirdo and love every minute of it lol lol! lol!
Mind you Invicta does have a point as at one time there was hell of a lot of single older women here at one time that must have had skeletons in the cupboard,some men as well but mostly mid aged women.....Where did they farm out the kids as most of them had some...any ideas chaps or gals
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